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Wed Jul 4, 2012, 7:12 AM
I had this idea quite some time ago, but something just kicked it back into my consciousness.
   Space, at least relatively near a star, is both very hot and very cold at the same time.  
   Imagine a spaceships with ion drives.

Couldn't there be a way to make water into steam using the heat from the Sun and then condense it in a shadowed area of the system. The steam generated starts flowing through circular tubes turning turbines and generating electricity. After that it flows into the condesing zone and warms up and keeps the water there above freezing and it also pushes it into the evaporation zone and the cycle repeats.

It seems a little like a perpetual machine, but it isn't since the Sun provides the energy and the system can't be completely frictionless.

It's also sounds a bit simple, but if it were possible it might be as complex as a steam locomotive or at least as a steam powered car from the 20s.

The advantage would be that as long as you can hold water and be in relatively close range to a star you would have a reliable source of electricity  in a more compact form than that of solar panels and could act as a backup. It may even be the main source of power in places where asteroids are mined and a lot of dust is present and can cover the solar panels. This way you avoid exotic or radioactive ways of making electricity Water would be relatively easy to find on celestial bodies.

Some disadvantages are that if a micro meterorite or something damages your system and you lose the water you lose the power too. You also can't have your ship stationed completely in shadow for a lengthy period of time. This might be mitigated by having enough electricity stored in batteries which can keep the system warm enough and the engines powered until you exit the shadow.

This is just an idea I had. Some of you out there might have more understanging of mechanisms and physics or have some interesting thoughts and I would like to know what you guys thing of such a system. Would it be doable?

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*Scifiwarships Sep 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hi, mate! I think it's a great idea!
We know how to manage water, we know how to make turbines, and this thing can be made extremely powerful. I mean who knows what can be achieved if you scale it up and make the water hot enough to be plasma. These turbines can spin steam that is thousands of degrees.
You can have massive mushroom shaped stations in orbit around Mercury. That ought to be close enough, and you can hide them in it's shadow during solar flares.
They can be fully automated, with carriers moving back and fourth collecting giant batteries that store energy in TW, or Coloumbs or whatever the term is.
You're not going to avoid radiation, at least not in the stations because the sun will make the water glow in the dark, hehehe. The storage units should not be affected though.
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*Marian87 Sep 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Interesting ideas. I wonder if the key to make it a stable and more or less compact system is to have water that hot and instead of trying to cool it down a lot just make a difference of less than a deegre C between the hot and cold parts of the system. I'm not sure if that would actually work in practice, but still plasma water in a closed system driving heavy machinery to make electricity sounds kind of cool. :D
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*Scifiwarships Sep 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hi Marian! It does sound kinda cool, hehehe. I have no idea how steam engines really work, or rather I have no idea where the actual heat dissipation is greatest. I mean these machines aren't insulated, so a lot of the energy will probably get lost through the materials rather than the mechanical process. I know for a fact that steam turbines in ships use 300degr hot steam. This is probably because it's more energetic at higher tempratures. Then again it also has to do with pressure, which probably is directly related to the heat difference. I would think that the higher the difference between the hot and cold section, the greater the pressure and potential energy.
The initial thought here was that the hotter you can have the steam, the more stages you can have in a turbine, and the more power you can coax out of it.
I have no clue hehehe. Fun to speculate on these things though..
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*Marian87 Sep 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah it would be interesting to do some experiments in space...do you have any spare change? :P

I just found this article, [link], but is sounds way less ambitions than what I had in mind.
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*Scifiwarships Sep 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like yours better! Science fiction allows us to dream really really big... I like that.
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*Marian87 Sep 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah...that's why I love Sci-fi, obviously. :D
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*Scifiwarships Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hehehe, just wish there was a way to make money doing it..
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*Marian87 Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah...we can only dream about making money while dreming about dreams...I think a few neurons exploded. :P
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I once had the Idea of creating a retro-looking spaceship. It would look like something from the Fallout-Universe, which means there are vacuum-tubes everywhere, bulky electronics and very retro-like looking devices, but at the same time extremely sophisticated equipment.
One scene I imagined like this: Camera moves through the bridge (which looks like the bridge of a 1960s-1970s warship) and while everything is covered in thin ice, you can see through the cooling-vents in the cowls of the consoles glowing vacuum-tubes. Then the camera reaches a console and shows the monitors, which slowly come to life and show some rudimentary graphics and oscilloscope-graphs. Then you see the computer making a automatic log-entry on screen and the monitors are turned off again.
The next scene shows the crew waking up from cryo-sleep in a very modern looking Cryo-Sleep-Room.

It sounds like the opening of Alien and it really is inspired by it, but with this retro-touch, I think it really could look great^^
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*Marian87 Jul 12, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks for that image. What I pictured in my head was pretty awesome. :D
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